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	<title>Comments on: 80% Of Call Options Expire Worthless</title>
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		<title>By: Lucky Fool</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/80-of-call-options-expire-worthless/#comment-5191</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucky Fool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 07:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Options only expire worthless if you let them. There is nothing saying that there cannot be zero open interest on a certain strike price at expiration, meaning no open positions exist. Investing by design is a negative sum game, in options as well. Nothing is created, money changes owners, while brokers take their cut as commission. The ones who profit utilize combination of strategy, technical analysis and a dose of luck. The ones who lose are the uninformed, the inexperienced and the unlucky. But the brokers always get their commissions from both buyers and sellers, and that is where the real risk free money is at. Most brokers don&#039;t trade their own accounts because they know the game is rigged, they prefer the other fools to take the risks, while they take a cut as commission every time somebody buys or sells.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Options only expire worthless if you let them. There is nothing saying that there cannot be zero open interest on a certain strike price at expiration, meaning no open positions exist. Investing by design is a negative sum game, in options as well. Nothing is created, money changes owners, while brokers take their cut as commission. The ones who profit utilize combination of strategy, technical analysis and a dose of luck. The ones who lose are the uninformed, the inexperienced and the unlucky. But the brokers always get their commissions from both buyers and sellers, and that is where the real risk free money is at. Most brokers don&#39;t trade their own accounts because they know the game is rigged, they prefer the other fools to take the risks, while they take a cut as commission every time somebody buys or sells.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt Frankenberg</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/80-of-call-options-expire-worthless/#comment-2139</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt Frankenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad that you and Mark pointed out that 80% HELD to EXPIRY detail... very important.

I&#039;ll add that SOME options you actually would be very, very happy if they expired worthless. These are those situations:

1) If the option was shorted by you, as in the case of writing a covered call or a &#039;naked&#039; put, or:

2) The option was not meant for profit but as a hedge, as in a spread or a married put.

In the first case, the happening of an option expiring worthless is a relief. It represents the end of an obligation, and that the money received for taking on the obligation has been successfully &#039;banked&#039;.

In the second case, it may be that the option expiring worthless is a GOOD thing that may be chalked up to the cost of doing business.

For example, if an investor were to buy XYZ at $50, and as a hedge also buy an XYZ June $55 put for $7.50, his total cost will be $57.50.

Should XYZ go to $70, the profits would be ($70 - $59) = $11, or 19.13%. The stock alone was a 40% gain, but the put has expired worthless,

On the other hand, if XYZ falls by 40% or so, the put option will stop our investor&#039;s losses right at his total cost minus the strike price, or ($57.50 - $55) = $2.50, or a 4.34% loss.

I believe that in the above scenario, reasonable folks would be much happier surrendering half of their gains if it meant limiting their losses to such a miniscule amount in the case of disaster.

At the prospect of losing 4.34% or making 19.13% on the same size movement in the stock, allowing one&#039;s put option to expire worthless would actually be something to hope for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad that you and Mark pointed out that 80% HELD to EXPIRY detail&#8230; very important.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll add that SOME options you actually would be very, very happy if they expired worthless. These are those situations:</p>
<p>1) If the option was shorted by you, as in the case of writing a covered call or a &#8216;naked&#8217; put, or:</p>
<p>2) The option was not meant for profit but as a hedge, as in a spread or a married put.</p>
<p>In the first case, the happening of an option expiring worthless is a relief. It represents the end of an obligation, and that the money received for taking on the obligation has been successfully &#8216;banked&#8217;.</p>
<p>In the second case, it may be that the option expiring worthless is a GOOD thing that may be chalked up to the cost of doing business.</p>
<p>For example, if an investor were to buy XYZ at $50, and as a hedge also buy an XYZ June $55 put for $7.50, his total cost will be $57.50.</p>
<p>Should XYZ go to $70, the profits would be ($70 &#8211; $59) = $11, or 19.13%. The stock alone was a 40% gain, but the put has expired worthless,</p>
<p>On the other hand, if XYZ falls by 40% or so, the put option will stop our investor&#8217;s losses right at his total cost minus the strike price, or ($57.50 &#8211; $55) = $2.50, or a 4.34% loss.</p>
<p>I believe that in the above scenario, reasonable folks would be much happier surrendering half of their gains if it meant limiting their losses to such a miniscule amount in the case of disaster.</p>
<p>At the prospect of losing 4.34% or making 19.13% on the same size movement in the stock, allowing one&#8217;s put option to expire worthless would actually be something to hope for.</p>
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		<title>By: Preet</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/80-of-call-options-expire-worthless/#comment-2138</link>
		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Joe - you will be interested in an upcoming interview to be posted here that I had with someone who was a market maker for options on the Chicago Board of Options exchange. Stay tuned... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Joe &#8211; you will be interested in an upcoming interview to be posted here that I had with someone who was a market maker for options on the Chicago Board of Options exchange. Stay tuned&#8230; :)</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Dolan</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/80-of-call-options-expire-worthless/#comment-2137</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Dolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 02:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don&#039;t have a full time job and can sit by the computer all day than investing in options IMHO is ok for between 5-10% of your portfolio.  If you can admit when you are wrong and limit your losses than investing in options is acceptable.

   IMHO, it;s like investing in the xgd or in risky venture stocks. Limit options to 5 % of your portfolio and you should be fine.

I read a good book on options by Micheal Thomsett and a good book on options put out by the montreal exchange.  Again, just my opinion.   Best Regards---Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t have a full time job and can sit by the computer all day than investing in options IMHO is ok for between 5-10% of your portfolio.  If you can admit when you are wrong and limit your losses than investing in options is acceptable.</p>
<p>   IMHO, it;s like investing in the xgd or in risky venture stocks. Limit options to 5 % of your portfolio and you should be fine.</p>
<p>I read a good book on options by Micheal Thomsett and a good book on options put out by the montreal exchange.  Again, just my opinion.   Best Regards&#8212;Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Dolan</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/80-of-call-options-expire-worthless/#comment-2136</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Dolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize that options are risky.  It&#039;s ironic that level 1 options which allows you to only lose your premium discourages most options beginners right off the bat.

  IMHO, if you can progress to level 3 or 4 options then your chances of making money might be greater.  You would be collecting the premiums of buyers and sellers instead of relinquishing them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that options are risky.  It&#8217;s ironic that level 1 options which allows you to only lose your premium discourages most options beginners right off the bat.</p>
<p>  IMHO, if you can progress to level 3 or 4 options then your chances of making money might be greater.  You would be collecting the premiums of buyers and sellers instead of relinquishing them.</p>
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		<title>By: Preet</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/80-of-call-options-expire-worthless/#comment-2135</link>
		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark - Thanks for pointing that out - brain fade on my part as I knew that but didn&#039;t do a good job proofing my post (re: not exercising the option) - I&#039;m out of town and have a number of posts pre-written (which I wrote all in one sitting- not that it&#039;s a good excuse for being sloppy).

Thanks for your contribution. Although I have a question about the RIM example- you mention that it finishing in the money is 100% due to price, time and implied volatility. Isn&#039;t implied volatility just  the &quot;implied&quot; volatility based on the price of the option?

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark &#8211; Thanks for pointing that out &#8211; brain fade on my part as I knew that but didn&#8217;t do a good job proofing my post (re: not exercising the option) &#8211; I&#8217;m out of town and have a number of posts pre-written (which I wrote all in one sitting- not that it&#8217;s a good excuse for being sloppy).</p>
<p>Thanks for your contribution. Although I have a question about the RIM example- you mention that it finishing in the money is 100% due to price, time and implied volatility. Isn&#8217;t implied volatility just  the &#8220;implied&#8221; volatility based on the price of the option?</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wolfinger</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/80-of-call-options-expire-worthless/#comment-2134</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Wolfinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I&#039;m glad you mentioned that &#039;80% of options &lt;b&gt;held to expiration&lt;/b&gt; expire worthless.&#039;  That 80% is figure is quoted frequently, without your disclaimer.  It&#039;s a very misleading number.  No one knows for certain, but many of the options that have any intrinsic value are closed prior to expiration.  Thus, the options held all the way tend to be worthless.  Bottom line:  nowhere near 80% of the options &lt;i&gt;written&lt;/i&gt; expire worthless.

I&#039;d like to clarify another point.  If you hold an option until expiration, the price you paid is 100% IRRELEVANT when it comes to deciding whether to exercise an option. In your example above, if the stock finishes at 50.29 no one would allow it to expire worthless.  Even if you paid a whole lot more than $0.30 when you bought the option, why throw away that $29 of intrinsic value?  Why lose every penny you paid for the option when you can salvage $29?

RIMs probability of finishing in the money has noting to do with that 80% figure.  It&#039;s 100% related to the stock price, time remaining, and implied volatility.

One last point: If an option has a 20% chance of finishing in the money, the chances of making a profit are less than that.  Part of the time the option does not move far enough in the money to compensate the buyer for the premium paid.

http://www.mdwoptions.com

http://blog.mdwoptions.com/options_for_rookies/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you mentioned that &#8217;80% of options <b>held to expiration</b> expire worthless.&#8217;  That 80% is figure is quoted frequently, without your disclaimer.  It&#8217;s a very misleading number.  No one knows for certain, but many of the options that have any intrinsic value are closed prior to expiration.  Thus, the options held all the way tend to be worthless.  Bottom line:  nowhere near 80% of the options <i>written</i> expire worthless.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to clarify another point.  If you hold an option until expiration, the price you paid is 100% IRRELEVANT when it comes to deciding whether to exercise an option. In your example above, if the stock finishes at 50.29 no one would allow it to expire worthless.  Even if you paid a whole lot more than $0.30 when you bought the option, why throw away that $29 of intrinsic value?  Why lose every penny you paid for the option when you can salvage $29?</p>
<p>RIMs probability of finishing in the money has noting to do with that 80% figure.  It&#8217;s 100% related to the stock price, time remaining, and implied volatility.</p>
<p>One last point: If an option has a 20% chance of finishing in the money, the chances of making a profit are less than that.  Part of the time the option does not move far enough in the money to compensate the buyer for the premium paid.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mdwoptions.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mdwoptions.com</a></p>
<p><a href="http://blog.mdwoptions.com/options_for_rookies/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.mdwoptions.com/options_for_rookies/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link.  Because of my interest in math and finance, I was able to understand your discussion of implied volatility.  This post is probably a good test for potential option investors.  They should have to learn enough that they can understand what you said before trading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link.  Because of my interest in math and finance, I was able to understand your discussion of implied volatility.  This post is probably a good test for potential option investors.  They should have to learn enough that they can understand what you said before trading.</p>
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