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	<title>Comments on: A Dealership That Doesn&#039;t Want To Sell Cars That Badly</title>
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	<description>A personal finance blog written by Preet Banerjee</description>
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		<title>By: Anyone Looking For A Smokin&#8217; Deal On A Lexus? : WhereDoesAllMyMoneyGo.com</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/a-dealership-that-doesnt-want-to-sell-cars-that-badly/#comment-3208</link>
		<dc:creator>Anyone Looking For A Smokin&#8217; Deal On A Lexus? : WhereDoesAllMyMoneyGo.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] said that, this particular ordeal (which you can read from the beginning here) went from bad to worse. Nine days after being given an ultimatum to pay up the $2200 or return the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nice Weather Edition of Linkstuff April 27</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nice Weather Edition of Linkstuff April 27</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Preet tells us about a dealership that doesn&#8217;t want to sell cars that badly. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nicolas</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/a-dealership-that-doesnt-want-to-sell-cars-that-badly/#comment-3206</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicolas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would ask the dealership to put their request and complete explanation (an applicable contract clauses if any) in writing before making any kind of decision. They might just forget about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would ask the dealership to put their request and complete explanation (an applicable contract clauses if any) in writing before making any kind of decision. They might just forget about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Maehauffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Maehauffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Lexus did call your friend&#039;s bluff and recall the car, they would be stuck re-leasing a USED car - which would have depreciated immensely!

If they do, here&#039;s a little hint from Ferris Bueller&#039;s Day Off:
Jack the car up, and peg the pedal to 240km/h.  Set your cruise control (and maybe put on some Chemical Brothers through the optional IPod interface).

If you return the car at it&#039;s next payment date (say 14 days), you&#039;ll have accumulated over 81,000km.  Well within the lease terms for mileage.  Then they&#039;ll REALLY have a used car to re-lease!  I&#039;ll even supply the gasoline just to see their faces!

Jack M
(don&#039;t try this at home kids)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Lexus did call your friend&#8217;s bluff and recall the car, they would be stuck re-leasing a USED car &#8211; which would have depreciated immensely!</p>
<p>If they do, here&#8217;s a little hint from Ferris Bueller&#8217;s Day Off:<br />
Jack the car up, and peg the pedal to 240km/h.  Set your cruise control (and maybe put on some Chemical Brothers through the optional IPod interface).</p>
<p>If you return the car at it&#8217;s next payment date (say 14 days), you&#8217;ll have accumulated over 81,000km.  Well within the lease terms for mileage.  Then they&#8217;ll REALLY have a used car to re-lease!  I&#8217;ll even supply the gasoline just to see their faces!</p>
<p>Jack M<br />
(don&#8217;t try this at home kids)</p>
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		<title>By: Riscario Insider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riscario Insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 02:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t the contract require a review and signature from the dealership&#039;s management? As a consumer, that would seem to make the contract binding. The dealership is in the business of selling/leasing cars.

An increase in the security deposit of $2,100 seems high. If the car is damaged, the client is liable for the cost. In that sense, the deposit is redundant. It&#039;s refundable if there&#039;s no damage. Each time I&#039;ve leased, the security deposit was one lease payment (much like paying the first and last month&#039;s rent on an apartment).

When car shopping last year, I went to Lexus first by mistake (took a wrong turn on the way to BMW). I spoke to a rep for a few minutes then got turned over to a different (less nice) rep!?! Since I just started comparison shopping, I clearly wasn&#039;t ready to buy. Even so, the rep explained complicated lease options that centred around paying a much larger security deposit to lower the lease payments. Why not make a larger cash payment up front instead? I could not follow the explanation and left in a daze. The only consolation: they took a shiny GS out of the showroom for my test drive.

No one at Audi, BMW or Mercedes recommended overpaying the security deposit (which is essentially a tax-free loan).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t the contract require a review and signature from the dealership&#8217;s management? As a consumer, that would seem to make the contract binding. The dealership is in the business of selling/leasing cars.</p>
<p>An increase in the security deposit of $2,100 seems high. If the car is damaged, the client is liable for the cost. In that sense, the deposit is redundant. It&#8217;s refundable if there&#8217;s no damage. Each time I&#8217;ve leased, the security deposit was one lease payment (much like paying the first and last month&#8217;s rent on an apartment).</p>
<p>When car shopping last year, I went to Lexus first by mistake (took a wrong turn on the way to BMW). I spoke to a rep for a few minutes then got turned over to a different (less nice) rep!?! Since I just started comparison shopping, I clearly wasn&#8217;t ready to buy. Even so, the rep explained complicated lease options that centred around paying a much larger security deposit to lower the lease payments. Why not make a larger cash payment up front instead? I could not follow the explanation and left in a daze. The only consolation: they took a shiny GS out of the showroom for my test drive.</p>
<p>No one at Audi, BMW or Mercedes recommended overpaying the security deposit (which is essentially a tax-free loan).</p>
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		<title>By: Thicken My Wallet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thicken My Wallet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have your friend point out the &quot;entire agreement&quot; clause in the agreement. The dealer has no legal remedy for their, ahem, &quot;clerical error&quot; if the lease has gone through and your friend has a leasehold interest in the car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have your friend point out the &#8220;entire agreement&#8221; clause in the agreement. The dealer has no legal remedy for their, ahem, &#8220;clerical error&#8221; if the lease has gone through and your friend has a leasehold interest in the car.</p>
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		<title>By: Preet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Silicon Prairie: lol - then I would recommend going back and saying he should be thrown in jail because he just took them for a test drive before they signed the contract - must&#039;ve been DUI! :P

@Canadian Finance - I hope that&#039;s not the case. Legal-ease is not my strong suit, but that&#039;s just plain mean!

@Howie - Yes, correct: the IA would be on the hook for the loss if it was the IA&#039;s error, but any mistake that results in a profit goes to the company coffers if I&#039;m not mistaken. If not, then imagine all the rogue traders/IAs that would be running amok... :) I agree that the company could&#039;ve called to indicate they made a mistake, but then offered to honour the deal. Turn it into marketing for them. Then the consumer would be tempted to spread GOOD news about the dealership acting in good faith.

@Eric - good tip on some scams. In this case, it sounds like a genuine mistake followed by a serious error in judgment on what to do about it.... I hope.

@Brian - thanks for your links. I believe he has contacted CBC marketplace. I will urge him to contact Ellen Roseman as well.

@Mark - I agree completely. And there would be some people who would pay the difference, I&#039;ll bet, if offered the choice to do so or not without any threats.

@Ink-Stained Gorilla - I know there is an exotic car maker that does something like this already. You can pick up your car right at the factory and watch it being built to your specification - all entered on a touchscreen interface. Somewhere in Europe. The environment now (changing everyday though), might have lobbied too hard against a direct model. The auto industry needs a Muriel Siebert(sp).

@Xenko - good point. Hopefully four years would be enough time to soften the sting, but I could imagine a few extra costs on routine maintenance along the way could also crop up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Silicon Prairie: lol &#8211; then I would recommend going back and saying he should be thrown in jail because he just took them for a test drive before they signed the contract &#8211; must&#8217;ve been DUI! :P</p>
<p>@Canadian Finance &#8211; I hope that&#8217;s not the case. Legal-ease is not my strong suit, but that&#8217;s just plain mean!</p>
<p>@Howie &#8211; Yes, correct: the IA would be on the hook for the loss if it was the IA&#8217;s error, but any mistake that results in a profit goes to the company coffers if I&#8217;m not mistaken. If not, then imagine all the rogue traders/IAs that would be running amok&#8230; :) I agree that the company could&#8217;ve called to indicate they made a mistake, but then offered to honour the deal. Turn it into marketing for them. Then the consumer would be tempted to spread GOOD news about the dealership acting in good faith.</p>
<p>@Eric &#8211; good tip on some scams. In this case, it sounds like a genuine mistake followed by a serious error in judgment on what to do about it&#8230;. I hope.</p>
<p>@Brian &#8211; thanks for your links. I believe he has contacted CBC marketplace. I will urge him to contact Ellen Roseman as well.</p>
<p>@Mark &#8211; I agree completely. And there would be some people who would pay the difference, I&#8217;ll bet, if offered the choice to do so or not without any threats.</p>
<p>@Ink-Stained Gorilla &#8211; I know there is an exotic car maker that does something like this already. You can pick up your car right at the factory and watch it being built to your specification &#8211; all entered on a touchscreen interface. Somewhere in Europe. The environment now (changing everyday though), might have lobbied too hard against a direct model. The auto industry needs a Muriel Siebert(sp).</p>
<p>@Xenko &#8211; good point. Hopefully four years would be enough time to soften the sting, but I could imagine a few extra costs on routine maintenance along the way could also crop up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Xenko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xenko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IANAL but as far as I know, a contract that has been signed without duress is legally binding, no matter who made the mistake.  There are plently of cases where people mis-read a contract or put a stupid clause in that eventually came back to bite them.

Imagine the reverse scenario where the customer realized he signed a contract for more than was agreed upon.  Do you think the dealership would refund the difference?  I highly doubt it.

The only thing I would be concerned about is some sort of retribution upon the termination of the lease where those pesky fees for damages/dirtiness etc. might need to be paid up (and exaggerated).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IANAL but as far as I know, a contract that has been signed without duress is legally binding, no matter who made the mistake.  There are plently of cases where people mis-read a contract or put a stupid clause in that eventually came back to bite them.</p>
<p>Imagine the reverse scenario where the customer realized he signed a contract for more than was agreed upon.  Do you think the dealership would refund the difference?  I highly doubt it.</p>
<p>The only thing I would be concerned about is some sort of retribution upon the termination of the lease where those pesky fees for damages/dirtiness etc. might need to be paid up (and exaggerated).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wolfinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Wolfinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sometimes businesses are too shortsighted when they piss of their customers.&quot;

That arrogance comes from making too much money and assuming the good time will never end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sometimes businesses are too shortsighted when they piss of their customers.&#8221;</p>
<p>That arrogance comes from making too much money and assuming the good time will never end.</p>
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		<title>By: Preet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a reader via email: The story of  the car lease reminds me when I bought a new BMW awhile ago. I went into the dealership with a  printed copy from  their website  the car I wanted with all the options and colors printed out for them. No selling was required, they just had to transcribe the information  into their ordering system. I get a call back 8 weeks later saying the car had arrived but there was a mistake, it did not have the automatic transmission that I ordered. They had another car on the lot that I would have bought but I wanted the wheels and tires that I ordered. I thought it would be simple to just exchange the tires. They would not do it. The only way they would do it was for me to buy the wheels from the parts department at retail prices and sell them my wheels at wholesale prices. I would have to pay the difference. They did nothing to try to help me out for an error they made.

I canceled the order, and went to another dealership and bought the identical car from them. Of course every one I talked to about the new bimmer, I would relay them my story and they were mostly the type of people who would buy BMWs.  Sometimes businesses are too shortsighted when they piss of their customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a reader via email: The story of  the car lease reminds me when I bought a new BMW awhile ago. I went into the dealership with a  printed copy from  their website  the car I wanted with all the options and colors printed out for them. No selling was required, they just had to transcribe the information  into their ordering system. I get a call back 8 weeks later saying the car had arrived but there was a mistake, it did not have the automatic transmission that I ordered. They had another car on the lot that I would have bought but I wanted the wheels and tires that I ordered. I thought it would be simple to just exchange the tires. They would not do it. The only way they would do it was for me to buy the wheels from the parts department at retail prices and sell them my wheels at wholesale prices. I would have to pay the difference. They did nothing to try to help me out for an error they made.</p>
<p>I canceled the order, and went to another dealership and bought the identical car from them. Of course every one I talked to about the new bimmer, I would relay them my story and they were mostly the type of people who would buy BMWs.  Sometimes businesses are too shortsighted when they piss of their customers.</p>
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