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	<title>Comments on: Dimensional Fund Advisors Part X</title>
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	<description>A personal finance blog written by Preet Banerjee</description>
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		<title>By: Preet</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/dimensional-fund-advisors-part-x/#comment-1048</link>
		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael James - I suppose it couldn&#039;t hurt to ask Fama or French for the results you are looking for with regards to subtracting the spread between Rf and c - it *should* just be a matter of plugging it in and getting an answer.

@SD - Thanks for the note. You&#039;ve stolen part of my next post in which we look at data sets over and above those used in the original paper. But to answer your question about being an advisor: I&#039;m honestly just trying to do what&#039;s right for investors as an advisor, but this blog is not really aimed at clients/potential clients. It&#039;s largely for pleasure and learning (on my part!) Also, I do have a question about your last paragraph as well - do you have the ability to provide the data for what Michael James is looking for? I too would be most interested in seeing that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael James &#8211; I suppose it couldn&#8217;t hurt to ask Fama or French for the results you are looking for with regards to subtracting the spread between Rf and c &#8211; it *should* just be a matter of plugging it in and getting an answer.</p>
<p>@SD &#8211; Thanks for the note. You&#8217;ve stolen part of my next post in which we look at data sets over and above those used in the original paper. But to answer your question about being an advisor: I&#8217;m honestly just trying to do what&#8217;s right for investors as an advisor, but this blog is not really aimed at clients/potential clients. It&#8217;s largely for pleasure and learning (on my part!) Also, I do have a question about your last paragraph as well &#8211; do you have the ability to provide the data for what Michael James is looking for? I too would be most interested in seeing that.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael James</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/dimensional-fund-advisors-part-x/#comment-1047</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SD: The reason you can&#039;t tell whether I agree with Fama and French is because I haven&#039;t made up my mind yet.  You&#039;re right that the vowel factor has to be pure data mining.  That was the idea.  Adding the vowel factor would give us an idea of how much the coefficient of determination increases when adding an extra independent variable for the regression.  The Fama-French model gets a boost from having two extra independent variables.  The question is whether their results are even better than one would expect from adding two pointless variables like the vowel thing.

I didn&#039;t understand your comments about the greater cost of borrowing.  Do you mean &quot;c &lt; 1%&quot; and &quot;c &lt; 2%&quot;?  Are you saying that you have an idea how these values would fare compared to pure CAPM after doing the calculations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SD: The reason you can&#8217;t tell whether I agree with Fama and French is because I haven&#8217;t made up my mind yet.  You&#8217;re right that the vowel factor has to be pure data mining.  That was the idea.  Adding the vowel factor would give us an idea of how much the coefficient of determination increases when adding an extra independent variable for the regression.  The Fama-French model gets a boost from having two extra independent variables.  The question is whether their results are even better than one would expect from adding two pointless variables like the vowel thing.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t understand your comments about the greater cost of borrowing.  Do you mean &#8220;c &lt; 1%&#8221; and &#8220;c &lt; 2%&#8221;?  Are you saying that you have an idea how these values would fare compared to pure CAPM after doing the calculations?</p>
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		<title>By: SD</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/dimensional-fund-advisors-part-x/#comment-1046</link>
		<dc:creator>SD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the original F/F paper was published in 1992 a lot of people assumed it was nothing more than &quot;data mining&quot; - and without going into much detail F/F then looked at another 36 years of US data: found the same thing. They looked to other markets from around the world: found the same thing. They silenced the criticisms of data mining years ago.

Preet, you are doing an excellent job in explaining this information - why are you wasting your time as an advisor? I can&#039;t imagine the average investor will ever grasp this and have the conviction to stick it out.

For the other commenter, I cannot tell if you agree or disagree with F/F&#039;s research and conclusions based on your comments, but if you just supply your spreadsheet with an artificially larger Rf you could account for a greater cost of borrowing and a simultaneous decrease in the market factor, and you will get the answer of &#039;it still works brilliantly&#039; for c &lt; about 1, and &#039;it still works really well&#039; for c &lt; 2.

The idea of trying to find a vowel factor would be pure data mining and if you found it in one set of data you wouldn&#039;t find it in any others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the original F/F paper was published in 1992 a lot of people assumed it was nothing more than &#8220;data mining&#8221; &#8211; and without going into much detail F/F then looked at another 36 years of US data: found the same thing. They looked to other markets from around the world: found the same thing. They silenced the criticisms of data mining years ago.</p>
<p>Preet, you are doing an excellent job in explaining this information &#8211; why are you wasting your time as an advisor? I can&#8217;t imagine the average investor will ever grasp this and have the conviction to stick it out.</p>
<p>For the other commenter, I cannot tell if you agree or disagree with F/F&#8217;s research and conclusions based on your comments, but if you just supply your spreadsheet with an artificially larger Rf you could account for a greater cost of borrowing and a simultaneous decrease in the market factor, and you will get the answer of &#8216;it still works brilliantly&#8217; for c &lt; about 1, and &#8216;it still works really well&#8217; for c &lt; 2.</p>
<p>The idea of trying to find a vowel factor would be pure data mining and if you found it in one set of data you wouldn&#8217;t find it in any others.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael James</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/dimensional-fund-advisors-part-x/#comment-1045</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not surprising that the coefficient of determination is better with the Fama-French model because they introduce extra independent variables.  Using s=h=0, Fama-French reduces to CAPM.  But, the data has been mined for the values of s and h that maximize the coefficient of determination.  So, Fama-French has to beat CAPM.  The fact that it beats CAPM by so much means that they may be on to something with their approach.

A interesting test would be to add the following term to CAPM: u(high v - low v), where v is the number of vowels in the company&#039;s name.  If this improves the coefficient of determination significantly after doing the regression to find the best constant u, then we might think twice about being impressed by Fama-French.

I&#039;d be interested in seeing what the effect is on CAPM&#039;s coefficient of determination if we replace (Rm-Rf) with (Rm-Rf-c), where c represents a constant gap above the T-bill rate to take into account the fact that we can&#039;t borrow at the T-bill rate.  The regression would give the optimal value for c, and we could tell from the resulting coefficients of determination whether this is a significantly better model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not surprising that the coefficient of determination is better with the Fama-French model because they introduce extra independent variables.  Using s=h=0, Fama-French reduces to CAPM.  But, the data has been mined for the values of s and h that maximize the coefficient of determination.  So, Fama-French has to beat CAPM.  The fact that it beats CAPM by so much means that they may be on to something with their approach.</p>
<p>A interesting test would be to add the following term to CAPM: u(high v &#8211; low v), where v is the number of vowels in the company&#8217;s name.  If this improves the coefficient of determination significantly after doing the regression to find the best constant u, then we might think twice about being impressed by Fama-French.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested in seeing what the effect is on CAPM&#8217;s coefficient of determination if we replace (Rm-Rf) with (Rm-Rf-c), where c represents a constant gap above the T-bill rate to take into account the fact that we can&#8217;t borrow at the T-bill rate.  The regression would give the optimal value for c, and we could tell from the resulting coefficients of determination whether this is a significantly better model.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Dimensional Fund Advisors Part IX : WhereDoesAllMyMoneyGo.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 03:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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