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		<title>By: Preet</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/hard-to-borrow-fees/#comment-5765</link>
		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 18:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great info Frank - thanks for sharing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Preet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great info Frank &#8211; thanks for sharing.</p>
<p>Preet</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Edwards</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/hard-to-borrow-fees/#comment-5764</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 17:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are stocks catagorized as Easy to Borrow as well as Hard to Borrow.  You are not charged for shorting Easy to Borrow stocks.  The Hard to Borrow fee for each day is the price demanded by the owner of the shares. There is also a pricing mechanism whereby the neagtive borrow rate is determined via an auction and is also collected by the owner of the sharers of stock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are stocks catagorized as Easy to Borrow as well as Hard to Borrow.  You are not charged for shorting Easy to Borrow stocks.  The Hard to Borrow fee for each day is the price demanded by the owner of the shares. There is also a pricing mechanism whereby the neagtive borrow rate is determined via an auction and is also collected by the owner of the sharers of stock.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/hard-to-borrow-fees/#comment-3366</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preet, why is the investor charged 1.68% in interest?  When you wrote this article, was that the current margin rate at Interactive Brokers?

I am trying to get a handle on which fees are charged for shorting an equity and how they are broken down.  I understand that the inventor/speculator as always charged the standard commission when sell a short position, just like he would if selling a long position.

My understanding is that if an inventor sells short a triple-leveraged fund in the US, he has to put up 90% of the cost to cover the short position.  For example, if the inventor sells short $10,000 worth of a triple leveraged fund, I am under the impression that he has to have $9,000 worth of cash collateral in his account.  If the equity increases in value, e.g., so that it would now cost $11,000 to cover the short position, the inventor would need $9,900 in money collateral.  I thought that if the investor had enough cash in his account, the brokerage simply, took money out of his account and held it in trust.  For example, if the investor holds a short position that could be covered by paying $10,000 and holds $25,000 in an interest-bearing money market account with his brokerage, the brokerage would take $9,000 out of the $25,000 in the money market account and hold it in trust.  The inventor would then not be earning any interest on that $9,000.

Is this how brokerages handle short sales?  Obviously if the investor doesn&#039;t have sufficient money in the money market account, the brokerage would then borrow the $9,000 on the margin and charge margin fees for doing so.

I guess I just am not clear of the source of the 1.68% interest rate in your example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preet, why is the investor charged 1.68% in interest?  When you wrote this article, was that the current margin rate at Interactive Brokers?</p>
<p>I am trying to get a handle on which fees are charged for shorting an equity and how they are broken down.  I understand that the inventor/speculator as always charged the standard commission when sell a short position, just like he would if selling a long position.</p>
<p>My understanding is that if an inventor sells short a triple-leveraged fund in the US, he has to put up 90% of the cost to cover the short position.  For example, if the inventor sells short $10,000 worth of a triple leveraged fund, I am under the impression that he has to have $9,000 worth of cash collateral in his account.  If the equity increases in value, e.g., so that it would now cost $11,000 to cover the short position, the inventor would need $9,900 in money collateral.  I thought that if the investor had enough cash in his account, the brokerage simply, took money out of his account and held it in trust.  For example, if the investor holds a short position that could be covered by paying $10,000 and holds $25,000 in an interest-bearing money market account with his brokerage, the brokerage would take $9,000 out of the $25,000 in the money market account and hold it in trust.  The inventor would then not be earning any interest on that $9,000.</p>
<p>Is this how brokerages handle short sales?  Obviously if the investor doesn&#8217;t have sufficient money in the money market account, the brokerage would then borrow the $9,000 on the margin and charge margin fees for doing so.</p>
<p>I guess I just am not clear of the source of the 1.68% interest rate in your example.</p>
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		<title>By: Preet</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/hard-to-borrow-fees/#comment-3365</link>
		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JohnnyH - I called IB directly and they pointed to a page on their site which lists the current rates. With some searching you should be able to find it (rates change constantly - probably related to implied volatility)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JohnnyH &#8211; I called IB directly and they pointed to a page on their site which lists the current rates. With some searching you should be able to find it (rates change constantly &#8211; probably related to implied volatility)</p>
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		<title>By: JohnnyH</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/hard-to-borrow-fees/#comment-3364</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnnyH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hilarious! Where did you find this fee at Preet? I use IB as well. Do they keep a table somewhere?

I would have expected a little better from IB...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilarious! Where did you find this fee at Preet? I use IB as well. Do they keep a table somewhere?</p>
<p>I would have expected a little better from IB&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Holly</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/hard-to-borrow-fees/#comment-3363</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Preet for this subject. Recertly I had nightmare with Zecco who claim free trading but with huge hidden charges. They charged me this hard to borrow fee $5/day almost EVERYDAY even after I covered!!! And very insane is that I was shorting the same stock NTAP from Scottrade at the same time, yet Scottrade didn&#039;t charge me once with this so called HTB fee. So I don&#039;t understand why NTAP is HTB for Zecco and why got charged everyday? isn&#039;t this something wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Preet for this subject. Recertly I had nightmare with Zecco who claim free trading but with huge hidden charges. They charged me this hard to borrow fee $5/day almost EVERYDAY even after I covered!!! And very insane is that I was shorting the same stock NTAP from Scottrade at the same time, yet Scottrade didn&#8217;t charge me once with this so called HTB fee. So I don&#8217;t understand why NTAP is HTB for Zecco and why got charged everyday? isn&#8217;t this something wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Personal Finance Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Random Thoughts: $50 Billion is a lot of money</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/hard-to-borrow-fees/#comment-3362</link>
		<dc:creator>Canadian Personal Finance Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Random Thoughts: $50 Billion is a lot of money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 11:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Preet at Where Does All My Money Go, points out there are hidden fees everywhere in Hard to Borrow Fees.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Preet at Where Does All My Money Go, points out there are hidden fees everywhere in Hard to Borrow Fees.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Preet</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/hard-to-borrow-fees/#comment-3361</link>
		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 17:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael James - I agree, the hurdle becomes that much higher for break even. The short proceeds could be put into a GIC to reduce the height of that hurdle, but it will still exist. There will never be a situation (for long anyways) where the interest charged to a retail investor would be lower than what they can earn.

Hmmm... want to start up a securities lending shop with me? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael James &#8211; I agree, the hurdle becomes that much higher for break even. The short proceeds could be put into a GIC to reduce the height of that hurdle, but it will still exist. There will never be a situation (for long anyways) where the interest charged to a retail investor would be lower than what they can earn.</p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230; want to start up a securities lending shop with me? :)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael James</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/hard-to-borrow-fees/#comment-3360</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 17:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the explanation.  The &quot;FR&quot; did precede a date.

If charging this &quot;interest&quot; for short positions is typical, then it makes no sense for retail investors to ever short anything where the expected returns are over a period of months or more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the explanation.  The &#8220;FR&#8221; did precede a date.</p>
<p>If charging this &#8220;interest&#8221; for short positions is typical, then it makes no sense for retail investors to ever short anything where the expected returns are over a period of months or more.</p>
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		<title>By: Preet</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/hard-to-borrow-fees/#comment-3359</link>
		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Michael James: FR usually means &quot;from&quot; followed by the date you shorted, and then ends with THRU meaning &quot;through&quot;, followed by the date you closed your short. THRU may not appear if you have not covered your position, but sometimes it will still appear to be the end of the reporting period. Any chance you remember if there was a date on that line of your statement? That might confirm it...

Questrade has no hard-to-borrow fees, just interest on debit positions which is prime + 1.5%, or 3.75% right now. The spread is still a big money maker, no matter what.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Michael James: FR usually means &#8220;from&#8221; followed by the date you shorted, and then ends with THRU meaning &#8220;through&#8221;, followed by the date you closed your short. THRU may not appear if you have not covered your position, but sometimes it will still appear to be the end of the reporting period. Any chance you remember if there was a date on that line of your statement? That might confirm it&#8230;</p>
<p>Questrade has no hard-to-borrow fees, just interest on debit positions which is prime + 1.5%, or 3.75% right now. The spread is still a big money maker, no matter what.</p>
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