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	<title>Comments on: Minimizing the RRSP Withholding Tax on Withdrawals</title>
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	<description>A personal finance blog written by Preet Banerjee</description>
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		<title>By: Preet</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/minimizing-the-rrsp-withholding-tax-on-withdrawals/#comment-11953</link>
		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 04:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chen Yes, you could try to argue that the bank should be paying this as well since you were trying to correct an error they made. 

 

If you make a contribution, now that you have room to do so, think of it as a separate transaction. It will reduce your tax owing which may offset the tax incurred by the withdrawal. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chen Yes, you could try to argue that the bank should be paying this as well since you were trying to correct an error they made. </p>
<p>If you make a contribution, now that you have room to do so, think of it as a separate transaction. It will reduce your tax owing which may offset the tax incurred by the withdrawal.</p>
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		<title>By: chen</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/minimizing-the-rrsp-withholding-tax-on-withdrawals/#comment-11950</link>
		<dc:creator>chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Preet @Chen

Hi Preet,

 

Thanks for your reply. The bank did acknowledge that this was their error and they were very apologetic about it and have paid us the 1% penalty fees for the months where the &#039;over-contribution&#039; occured. However, my latest concern as I recently found this out, is that the withdrawal now shows up as income in this tax year and will be taxed again by the government, right? Ideally then, should the bank be paying me this too? 

 

We are planning to re-contribute into the RRSP before the Feb deadline; are we going to make a mess of this situation if we do that? Will we still owe tax on that withdrawal we we contribute to an RRSP in the same tax year?

 

Thanks again.

 

P.S. We are meeting with our bank manager in two days to hopefully sort this out, but prior to that would really appreciate your thoughts as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Preet @Chen</p>
<p>Hi Preet,</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply. The bank did acknowledge that this was their error and they were very apologetic about it and have paid us the 1% penalty fees for the months where the &#8216;over-contribution&#8217; occured. However, my latest concern as I recently found this out, is that the withdrawal now shows up as income in this tax year and will be taxed again by the government, right? Ideally then, should the bank be paying me this too? </p>
<p>We are planning to re-contribute into the RRSP before the Feb deadline; are we going to make a mess of this situation if we do that? Will we still owe tax on that withdrawal we we contribute to an RRSP in the same tax year?</p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
<p>P.S. We are meeting with our bank manager in two days to hopefully sort this out, but prior to that would really appreciate your thoughts as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Preet</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/minimizing-the-rrsp-withholding-tax-on-withdrawals/#comment-11947</link>
		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chen I would contact the branch manager and ask them to correct the situation since it sounds like you received bad advice which put you into this situation in the first place. If the branch manager doesn&#039;t provide help, ask him/her for the Bank&#039;s Ombudsman contact information. Send a detailed letter to the Ombudsman by registered mail, and keep written notes of all further interactions with your bank about this (or any other) matter. If the bank&#039;s ombudsman does not provide a satisfactory solution, let me know. 

 

If what you say is true, the advice given was incompetent and your bank should reimburse you for any fees or penalties incurred because of their incorrect advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chen I would contact the branch manager and ask them to correct the situation since it sounds like you received bad advice which put you into this situation in the first place. If the branch manager doesn&#8217;t provide help, ask him/her for the Bank&#8217;s Ombudsman contact information. Send a detailed letter to the Ombudsman by registered mail, and keep written notes of all further interactions with your bank about this (or any other) matter. If the bank&#8217;s ombudsman does not provide a satisfactory solution, let me know. </p>
<p>If what you say is true, the advice given was incompetent and your bank should reimburse you for any fees or penalties incurred because of their incorrect advice.</p>
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		<title>By: Chen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Preet,

In February 2010 my husband and I were new immigrants to Ontario and my husband started work three months after we arrived. By mid of the year, we approached our bank for advise on RRSP’s for him and was told that we could invest up to 18% of his annual income, etc. which we went ahead and started doing. We set up an investment plan where a set amount would go into the RRSP account per pay check until it reached a level we wanted. When we had to do taxes for the year, the tax accountant informed us that by husband was not supposed to contribute to a RRSP as he did not have any contribution room as he only just started working that year (and you needed to file taxes for the year to get the NOA which would say if a room existed and how much). We were told that we would be liable to penalties by the government for over-contributing (which happened for a few months and the bank paid this to us). We were further advised by various people to withdraw the funds. Finally with all the pressure, we withdrew the entire RRSP amount. We were told that there would be withholding tax however we could claim that back when we did taxes (??). Now when researching more on this, I understand that this withdrawal is considered an income for the year we took it out and that it would be taxed as such, which is disappointing as he is in a high income tax bracket. We have since received my husband’s 2010 NOA and it now shows for 2011 he has a contribution room which we can use. We are planning on maximizing the contribution room for 2011, the same year we withdrew the funds from, due to the error of the bank.

My question is, how can we get back the entire amount which was withheld in tax as the real reason for this withdrawal was so that we don’t accrue penalties from the over contribution? Any information you could provide would be appreciated as we are very new in this game.

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Preet,</p>
<p>In February 2010 my husband and I were new immigrants to Ontario and my husband started work three months after we arrived. By mid of the year, we approached our bank for advise on RRSP’s for him and was told that we could invest up to 18% of his annual income, etc. which we went ahead and started doing. We set up an investment plan where a set amount would go into the RRSP account per pay check until it reached a level we wanted. When we had to do taxes for the year, the tax accountant informed us that by husband was not supposed to contribute to a RRSP as he did not have any contribution room as he only just started working that year (and you needed to file taxes for the year to get the NOA which would say if a room existed and how much). We were told that we would be liable to penalties by the government for over-contributing (which happened for a few months and the bank paid this to us). We were further advised by various people to withdraw the funds. Finally with all the pressure, we withdrew the entire RRSP amount. We were told that there would be withholding tax however we could claim that back when we did taxes (??). Now when researching more on this, I understand that this withdrawal is considered an income for the year we took it out and that it would be taxed as such, which is disappointing as he is in a high income tax bracket. We have since received my husband’s 2010 NOA and it now shows for 2011 he has a contribution room which we can use. We are planning on maximizing the contribution room for 2011, the same year we withdrew the funds from, due to the error of the bank.</p>
<p>My question is, how can we get back the entire amount which was withheld in tax as the real reason for this withdrawal was so that we don’t accrue penalties from the over contribution? Any information you could provide would be appreciated as we are very new in this game.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Preet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assuming that this is the best strategy (I always recommend getting a plan, you can consider a fee-only (hourly, flat rate) consultation), there is no way I am aware of to avoid the withholding in this scenario.

Even if you space out the withdrawals, the financial institution may elect to use a higher withholding rate on subsequent withdrawals in the same year.

Withdrawals are taken in the calendar year, and you have until Feb 29th of 2012 to make a contribution to count for 2011, correct.

Hope that helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming that this is the best strategy (I always recommend getting a plan, you can consider a fee-only (hourly, flat rate) consultation), there is no way I am aware of to avoid the withholding in this scenario.</p>
<p>Even if you space out the withdrawals, the financial institution may elect to use a higher withholding rate on subsequent withdrawals in the same year.</p>
<p>Withdrawals are taken in the calendar year, and you have until Feb 29th of 2012 to make a contribution to count for 2011, correct.</p>
<p>Hope that helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/minimizing-the-rrsp-withholding-tax-on-withdrawals/#comment-11880</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Preet, I have a dilemma. I&#039;m lucky enough to be buying back past service for my current job, but unfortunately it will require me to cash out about $35k in RRSP to make the room. We are going to turn around and buy RRSP&#039;s in my husbands name at the same time. Is there any way for CRA to allow no withholding as we will cash out and reinvest at same time? Also, when I do withdraw and they withhold, are there rules regarding time period in between withdrawals in order to get the lower 10% withholding. Also, can you confirm if I am right in the  timing, if we cash out now, it gets taxed on my 2012 income, but if we re-invest in my husbands RRSP, he can claim it in 2011 as long as it is done before end Feb? Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Preet, I have a dilemma. I&#8217;m lucky enough to be buying back past service for my current job, but unfortunately it will require me to cash out about $35k in RRSP to make the room. We are going to turn around and buy RRSP&#8217;s in my husbands name at the same time. Is there any way for CRA to allow no withholding as we will cash out and reinvest at same time? Also, when I do withdraw and they withhold, are there rules regarding time period in between withdrawals in order to get the lower 10% withholding. Also, can you confirm if I am right in the  timing, if we cash out now, it gets taxed on my 2012 income, but if we re-invest in my husbands RRSP, he can claim it in 2011 as long as it is done before end Feb? Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Preet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 06:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are bang on. The 89 day rule can span multiple calendar years and it doesn&#039;t matter if you make a contribution in the first 60 days to qualify for last year, if you do not wait until 90 days after the last contribution, that last contribution (up to the amount withdrawn) won&#039;t get you a deduction. AND you&#039;ll still get dinged on taxes for withdrawing so you might have double taxation with no recourse. (You ended up putting after tax dollars in, didn&#039;t get a deduction, and then it got treated as income on the way out and subject to tax again.)

As always, check with a tax professional first, but I would say avoid this like the plague. Or save some time and just write a cheque for a donation to the CRA because it&#039;s wasted money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are bang on. The 89 day rule can span multiple calendar years and it doesn&#8217;t matter if you make a contribution in the first 60 days to qualify for last year, if you do not wait until 90 days after the last contribution, that last contribution (up to the amount withdrawn) won&#8217;t get you a deduction. AND you&#8217;ll still get dinged on taxes for withdrawing so you might have double taxation with no recourse. (You ended up putting after tax dollars in, didn&#8217;t get a deduction, and then it got treated as income on the way out and subject to tax again.)</p>
<p>As always, check with a tax professional first, but I would say avoid this like the plague. Or save some time and just write a cheque for a donation to the CRA because it&#8217;s wasted money.</p>
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		<title>By: Preet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 06:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kassie, 3 x $4,376 is $13,128 and that is the amount that will be included as taxable income if you ask for 3 x $4,376 GROSS. If you ask for it NET, they will process a higher amount and leave you with 3 x $4,376 after withholding tax, but that would then get reconciled when you file your return for the year. 

The withholding at the time of each withdrawal is kind of like a downpayment on the tax that will be calculated and owing when you file your return the following year.

I would check with an accountant for your exact situation for advice - he/she may be able to take advantage of some other credits/programs applicable for those who qualify for disability benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kassie, 3 x $4,376 is $13,128 and that is the amount that will be included as taxable income if you ask for 3 x $4,376 GROSS. If you ask for it NET, they will process a higher amount and leave you with 3 x $4,376 after withholding tax, but that would then get reconciled when you file your return for the year. </p>
<p>The withholding at the time of each withdrawal is kind of like a downpayment on the tax that will be calculated and owing when you file your return the following year.</p>
<p>I would check with an accountant for your exact situation for advice &#8211; he/she may be able to take advantage of some other credits/programs applicable for those who qualify for disability benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Preet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 05:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark - a withdrawal of funds from an RRSP (a deregistration) can only be claimed on the date of the deregistration. The 60 days of the next year rule only applies for contributions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark &#8211; a withdrawal of funds from an RRSP (a deregistration) can only be claimed on the date of the deregistration. The 60 days of the next year rule only applies for contributions.</p>
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		<title>By: dale h</title>
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		<dc:creator>dale h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 04:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Preet:

You make reference to the 89 day rule. I was trying to explain this catch to my wife because she wanted to make a 2011 rrsp contribution asap  and then shortly withdraw funds from her rrsp to pay down personal debt. My understanding is that her 2011 contrib may be disallowed if she does not allow the required time between the two transactions. Any comments would be appreciated.  Dale</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Preet:</p>
<p>You make reference to the 89 day rule. I was trying to explain this catch to my wife because she wanted to make a 2011 rrsp contribution asap  and then shortly withdraw funds from her rrsp to pay down personal debt. My understanding is that her 2011 contrib may be disallowed if she does not allow the required time between the two transactions. Any comments would be appreciated.  Dale</p>
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