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		<title>By: Thicken My Wallet &#187; Blog Archive &#187; High-yield Bonds- new name, same old junk?</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/re-thinking-high-yield-fixed-income/#comment-2378</link>
		<dc:creator>Thicken My Wallet &#187; Blog Archive &#187; High-yield Bonds- new name, same old junk?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 04:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here is the final kicker- on a quantitative analysis, one may be better off of increasing your equity holdings over chasing high yield fixed income instruments. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Well-Heeled &#124; Creating Wealth Through Knowledge</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/re-thinking-high-yield-fixed-income/#comment-2377</link>
		<dc:creator>The Well-Heeled &#124; Creating Wealth Through Knowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Where Does All My Money Go: Re-Thinking High Yield Fixed Income [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Preet</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/re-thinking-high-yield-fixed-income/#comment-2376</link>
		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 03:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@qas - I&#039;m a big fan of dividends! :) The question of dividend paying stocks being better/worse than other types of equities is probably worthy of a longer, more in-depth response, but in a nut-shell: they would work very well with this mix. Having capital gains only would shelter the growth (and defer taxes), but historically dividends have been a key driver behind wealth creation.

@Returns Reaper - I have not yet read Swensen&#039;s book, but it comes highly recommended by many. Your points mentioned are excellent, and may help explain why you need to spend proportionately more units of risk trying to earn higher units of returns from bonds versus equities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@qas &#8211; I&#8217;m a big fan of dividends! :) The question of dividend paying stocks being better/worse than other types of equities is probably worthy of a longer, more in-depth response, but in a nut-shell: they would work very well with this mix. Having capital gains only would shelter the growth (and defer taxes), but historically dividends have been a key driver behind wealth creation.</p>
<p>@Returns Reaper &#8211; I have not yet read Swensen&#8217;s book, but it comes highly recommended by many. Your points mentioned are excellent, and may help explain why you need to spend proportionately more units of risk trying to earn higher units of returns from bonds versus equities.</p>
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		<title>By: Returns Reaper</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/re-thinking-high-yield-fixed-income/#comment-2375</link>
		<dc:creator>Returns Reaper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preet, some excellent points that match my thoughts.

Another source of information along the same lines is one of my favourite books, David Swenson&#039;s &#039;Unconventional Success&#039;.  He suggests any desire to earn anything above government bond rates should be achieved by increasing exposure to equities, not investing in riskier bonds.  Some reasons for this include:
- corporate management teams interests are more aligned with stockholders than bond holders.  The management team typically holds stock or has stock options.  So if they have to choose whether to negatively impact bond holders or stock holders, they&#039;re likely to choose bond holder.
- the return on most corporate bonds have only one way to go.. down.  They typically have clauses that allow them to recall the bonds (and typically reissue at a lower rate) if interest rates go down or their credit rating goes up.  If their credit rating goes down or interest rates go up, you&#039;re holding a suboptimal investment.

I think there were some more points as well, but I&#039;d have to re-read the section on corporate bonds to remember them.  But your conclusions are essentially the same as his: the extra risk of high yield corporate bonds doesn&#039;t compensate with as much expected return as the same amount of risk taken in equities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preet, some excellent points that match my thoughts.</p>
<p>Another source of information along the same lines is one of my favourite books, David Swenson&#8217;s &#8216;Unconventional Success&#8217;.  He suggests any desire to earn anything above government bond rates should be achieved by increasing exposure to equities, not investing in riskier bonds.  Some reasons for this include:<br />
- corporate management teams interests are more aligned with stockholders than bond holders.  The management team typically holds stock or has stock options.  So if they have to choose whether to negatively impact bond holders or stock holders, they&#8217;re likely to choose bond holder.<br />
- the return on most corporate bonds have only one way to go.. down.  They typically have clauses that allow them to recall the bonds (and typically reissue at a lower rate) if interest rates go down or their credit rating goes up.  If their credit rating goes down or interest rates go up, you&#8217;re holding a suboptimal investment.</p>
<p>I think there were some more points as well, but I&#8217;d have to re-read the section on corporate bonds to remember them.  But your conclusions are essentially the same as his: the extra risk of high yield corporate bonds doesn&#8217;t compensate with as much expected return as the same amount of risk taken in equities.</p>
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		<title>By: qas</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/re-thinking-high-yield-fixed-income/#comment-2374</link>
		<dc:creator>qas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preet A follow-up. Where do you see dividend paying stocks (with DTC advantage) in this mix. Same as other equity, better worse? Thanks q</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preet A follow-up. Where do you see dividend paying stocks (with DTC advantage) in this mix. Same as other equity, better worse? Thanks q</p>
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		<title>By: Preet</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/re-thinking-high-yield-fixed-income/#comment-2373</link>
		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@q - I was watching the election in the background so my mind was all over the place while writing the post, I remember having the intention to specifically address the tax effects as well - obviously the preferential tax treatment of equities further supports the argument, but adds nothing for tax-sheltered accounts.

Now, preferred shares are a bit of a different animal. I don&#039;t think there are too many big fans of perpetuals out there, so the same restraints on what slice of the preferred share market you add to your portfolio is probably not a bad idea, i.e. keep them higher credit quality and shorter maturity (or at least shorter time-to-reset). Other than that, I&#039;m fine with adding prefs to the fixed income mix in moderation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@q &#8211; I was watching the election in the background so my mind was all over the place while writing the post, I remember having the intention to specifically address the tax effects as well &#8211; obviously the preferential tax treatment of equities further supports the argument, but adds nothing for tax-sheltered accounts.</p>
<p>Now, preferred shares are a bit of a different animal. I don&#8217;t think there are too many big fans of perpetuals out there, so the same restraints on what slice of the preferred share market you add to your portfolio is probably not a bad idea, i.e. keep them higher credit quality and shorter maturity (or at least shorter time-to-reset). Other than that, I&#8217;m fine with adding prefs to the fixed income mix in moderation.</p>
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		<title>By: Preet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@45free - an excellent question. It doesn&#039;t change my thinking, but nor does that preclude taking advantage of the high spreads of corporates over govs, since many investment grade corporate issues still fall into the category of higher quality and are also providing high yields. Long term, I would expect that equities will outperform bonds and even given the unique circumstances now that is probably just as true as ever since stock prices are also unique.

Also, I subscribe to a core-satellite approach where 80% goes into a disciplined portfolio, and 20% is dedicated to individual picks and active trading. Allows me to have structure while appeasing my human nature! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@45free &#8211; an excellent question. It doesn&#8217;t change my thinking, but nor does that preclude taking advantage of the high spreads of corporates over govs, since many investment grade corporate issues still fall into the category of higher quality and are also providing high yields. Long term, I would expect that equities will outperform bonds and even given the unique circumstances now that is probably just as true as ever since stock prices are also unique.</p>
<p>Also, I subscribe to a core-satellite approach where 80% goes into a disciplined portfolio, and 20% is dedicated to individual picks and active trading. Allows me to have structure while appeasing my human nature! :)</p>
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		<title>By: 45free</title>
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		<dc:creator>45free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preet...does the current available yields on some reasonably safe yet currently high yielding debt change your opinion at all.  Historically I agree with your analysis but we are in unique times and some investment opportunities are available to us today that may never be available again in our lifetimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preet&#8230;does the current available yields on some reasonably safe yet currently high yielding debt change your opinion at all.  Historically I agree with your analysis but we are in unique times and some investment opportunities are available to us today that may never be available again in our lifetimes.</p>
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		<title>By: qas</title>
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		<dc:creator>qas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preet

Very timely post, as I have been mulling the very same topic recently.

I would be interested in your views on how dividend stocks and preferred shares factor into this picture (especially given their after-tax advantages).

Regards
q</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preet</p>
<p>Very timely post, as I have been mulling the very same topic recently.</p>
<p>I would be interested in your views on how dividend stocks and preferred shares factor into this picture (especially given their after-tax advantages).</p>
<p>Regards<br />
q</p>
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