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	<description>A personal finance blog written by Preet Banerjee</description>
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		<title>By: jasmine</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/tfsa-tax-free-savings-account-strategies/#comment-7216</link>
		<dc:creator>jasmine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 03:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear mr. preet 
reg rrsp even if our MTR goes down by 10% in later years. even then early withdrawls will be harmful due to panelty portion 10%.... for mid income families in age group of 30-40 in my opinion its not a good idea of killing today(age 35) contributing in RRSP( other then 1st time HBP), for tomorrom(age 65). so i think that RRSp is best for high income people like iT prof.teachers,nurses,politicians,media, dr., lawyers etc. who really dont want any money before retirement.
i support TFSA till i get close to age 50 with less debts and more assets.how right im??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear mr. preet<br />
reg rrsp even if our MTR goes down by 10% in later years. even then early withdrawls will be harmful due to panelty portion 10%&#8230;. for mid income families in age group of 30-40 in my opinion its not a good idea of killing today(age 35) contributing in RRSP( other then 1st time HBP), for tomorrom(age 65). so i think that RRSp is best for high income people like iT prof.teachers,nurses,politicians,media, dr., lawyers etc. who really dont want any money before retirement.<br />
i support TFSA till i get close to age 50 with less debts and more assets.how right im??</p>
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		<title>By: Freezie</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/tfsa-tax-free-savings-account-strategies/#comment-6812</link>
		<dc:creator>Freezie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 20:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Preet,

I&#039;m very curious about the conversation on dumping GL&#039;s money into RRSPs instead of mortgage payments.  It&#039;s an interesting concept but wouldn&#039;t taking out a long mortgage (say 30 years) and making minimum payments on it while depositing the surplus money into RRSPs, high dividend yeilding stocks, or growth stocks have a similar effect?

Freezie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Preet,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very curious about the conversation on dumping GL&#8217;s money into RRSPs instead of mortgage payments.  It&#8217;s an interesting concept but wouldn&#8217;t taking out a long mortgage (say 30 years) and making minimum payments on it while depositing the surplus money into RRSPs, high dividend yeilding stocks, or growth stocks have a similar effect?</p>
<p>Freezie</p>
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		<title>By: Tax Free Savings Account (TFSA) FAQ &#124; Financial Highway</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/tfsa-tax-free-savings-account-strategies/#comment-1899</link>
		<dc:creator>Tax Free Savings Account (TFSA) FAQ &#124; Financial Highway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 09:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Where Does All My Money Go TFSA Strategies [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/tfsa-tax-free-savings-account-strategies/#comment-1898</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The TFSA only protects your income against tax by the Feds as far as I can figure out so you are still liable for any Provincial tax?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The TFSA only protects your income against tax by the Feds as far as I can figure out so you are still liable for any Provincial tax?</p>
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		<title>By: Preet</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/tfsa-tax-free-savings-account-strategies/#comment-1897</link>
		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tarun, thanks for your questions. Inside the TFSA, there is no reason to buy the class structure so you would buy the cheaper trust version. In the non-reg account, yes: once the ACB is ground down to zero, all future &quot;ROC&quot; distributions are now capital gains distributions. This strategy makes sense if the savings on fees between the class and trust version are large enough to offset any extra taxes owing - which would require a detailed analysis as everyone&#039;s situation and portfolio constitutions are obviously different. For example, if the savings are 25bps per year and it takes 20 years to grind down the ACB (just an example), and in 20 years the investor is in a very low tax bracket (compared to now) then it would&#039;ve made sense as the annual savings in fees would grow over time and by the time the ACB on the non-reg class funds reaches zero, the tax on the capital gains distributions may be quite low.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tarun, thanks for your questions. Inside the TFSA, there is no reason to buy the class structure so you would buy the cheaper trust version. In the non-reg account, yes: once the ACB is ground down to zero, all future &#8220;ROC&#8221; distributions are now capital gains distributions. This strategy makes sense if the savings on fees between the class and trust version are large enough to offset any extra taxes owing &#8211; which would require a detailed analysis as everyone&#8217;s situation and portfolio constitutions are obviously different. For example, if the savings are 25bps per year and it takes 20 years to grind down the ACB (just an example), and in 20 years the investor is in a very low tax bracket (compared to now) then it would&#8217;ve made sense as the annual savings in fees would grow over time and by the time the ACB on the non-reg class funds reaches zero, the tax on the capital gains distributions may be quite low.</p>
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		<title>By: Tarun</title>
		<link>http://wheredoesallmymoneygo.com/tfsa-tax-free-savings-account-strategies/#comment-1896</link>
		<dc:creator>Tarun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Preet, I&#039;m trying to get my mind around strategy 1.  When you say convert your class fund into the TFSA, are you rebuying the class version or the Trust version? Then when your ACB reaches 0 in the non-reg account, are you not then forced to declare all future distributions as a capital gain?  Basically, I think I&#039;m missing the benefit.  Can you explain further?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Preet, I&#8217;m trying to get my mind around strategy 1.  When you say convert your class fund into the TFSA, are you rebuying the class version or the Trust version? Then when your ACB reaches 0 in the non-reg account, are you not then forced to declare all future distributions as a capital gain?  Basically, I think I&#8217;m missing the benefit.  Can you explain further?</p>
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		<title>By: Preet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi EROOM - thanks for posting that info - much appreciated. It would seem to indicate that the bulletin is out of date since it references the old limit of $1000 versus the current $2000, but nonetheless the final interpretation will always be that of what is in writing with the CRA. Personally, from hearing from the tax officer - he made it extremely clear the RRIF income had to be SWP&#039;d out. Based on the information you have provided, the next time someone is contemplating this I would call the CRA again for guidance and ask for them to point me to the material suggesting the definite interpretation. If you have it in writing, that is your best alternative.

I think what you have posted (in it&#039;s up to date form) suggests that lump sums would indeed qualify. I suppose the auditor would have the final say? :) For readers, I would suggest that it&#039;s best to discuss this with a qualified professional advisor for your own situation before acting on this information (or any information on this site).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi EROOM &#8211; thanks for posting that info &#8211; much appreciated. It would seem to indicate that the bulletin is out of date since it references the old limit of $1000 versus the current $2000, but nonetheless the final interpretation will always be that of what is in writing with the CRA. Personally, from hearing from the tax officer &#8211; he made it extremely clear the RRIF income had to be SWP&#8217;d out. Based on the information you have provided, the next time someone is contemplating this I would call the CRA again for guidance and ask for them to point me to the material suggesting the definite interpretation. If you have it in writing, that is your best alternative.</p>
<p>I think what you have posted (in it&#8217;s up to date form) suggests that lump sums would indeed qualify. I suppose the auditor would have the final say? :) For readers, I would suggest that it&#8217;s best to discuss this with a qualified professional advisor for your own situation before acting on this information (or any information on this site).</p>
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		<title>By: EROOM</title>
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		<dc:creator>EROOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Preet.
It&#039;s a fairly common strategy to convert some RRSP to RRIF at age 65 and draw $2,000 per year until age 71 ($14,000 in total) to claim the credit if you have no other qualifying pension income. Although that seems to meet the definition of periodic, I&#039;m not aware that is a requirement.

Official CRA position is often difficult to come across. The following may be helpful; it&#039;s from a former bulletin IT-517R which CRA archived, so it&#039;s not on their site anymore. But it&#039;s still in the CCH software. This is also the same wording CCH uses in their current tax preparation material.

See 2(a)(iii)

2. An individual who has attained the age of 65 years before the end of the year is entitled to a pension tax credit determined by multiplying the lowest Part I tax rate percentage (currently set at 17%) by the lesser of $1,000 and the individual&#039;s “pension income” received in the year. Subject to ¶8 below, subsection 118(7) defines “pension income” received by an individual in a taxation year as the sum of

(a) the total of all amounts included in computing income for the year each of which is

(i) a payment in respect of a life annuity out of or under a superannuation or pension plan, including a foreign plan;

(ii) an annuity payment under a registered retirement savings plan (RRSP), under an “amended plan” as referred to in subsection 146(12), or under an annuity in respect of which an amount is included in income under paragraph 56(1)(d.2) (see comments in ¶3 below);

(iii) a payment out of or under a registered retirement income fund (RRIF), or under an “amended fund” as referred to in subsection 146.3(11);

(iv) an annuity payment under a deferred profit sharing plan (DPSP) or under a “revoked plan” as referred to in subsection 147(15);

(v) an instalment payment out of a DPSP as described in subparagraph 147(2)(k)(v) (see ¶10 below); or

(vi) the excess of an annuity payment included in income under paragraph 56(1)(d) over its capital element as determined under paragraph 60(a); and

(b) amounts accrued on certain life insurance policies and annuities and included in income under section 12.2 or former paragraph 56(1)(d.1).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Preet.<br />
It&#8217;s a fairly common strategy to convert some RRSP to RRIF at age 65 and draw $2,000 per year until age 71 ($14,000 in total) to claim the credit if you have no other qualifying pension income. Although that seems to meet the definition of periodic, I&#8217;m not aware that is a requirement.</p>
<p>Official CRA position is often difficult to come across. The following may be helpful; it&#8217;s from a former bulletin IT-517R which CRA archived, so it&#8217;s not on their site anymore. But it&#8217;s still in the CCH software. This is also the same wording CCH uses in their current tax preparation material.</p>
<p>See 2(a)(iii)</p>
<p>2. An individual who has attained the age of 65 years before the end of the year is entitled to a pension tax credit determined by multiplying the lowest Part I tax rate percentage (currently set at 17%) by the lesser of $1,000 and the individual&#8217;s “pension income” received in the year. Subject to ¶8 below, subsection 118(7) defines “pension income” received by an individual in a taxation year as the sum of</p>
<p>(a) the total of all amounts included in computing income for the year each of which is</p>
<p>(i) a payment in respect of a life annuity out of or under a superannuation or pension plan, including a foreign plan;</p>
<p>(ii) an annuity payment under a registered retirement savings plan (RRSP), under an “amended plan” as referred to in subsection 146(12), or under an annuity in respect of which an amount is included in income under paragraph 56(1)(d.2) (see comments in ¶3 below);</p>
<p>(iii) a payment out of or under a registered retirement income fund (RRIF), or under an “amended fund” as referred to in subsection 146.3(11);</p>
<p>(iv) an annuity payment under a deferred profit sharing plan (DPSP) or under a “revoked plan” as referred to in subsection 147(15);</p>
<p>(v) an instalment payment out of a DPSP as described in subparagraph 147(2)(k)(v) (see ¶10 below); or</p>
<p>(vi) the excess of an annuity payment included in income under paragraph 56(1)(d) over its capital element as determined under paragraph 60(a); and</p>
<p>(b) amounts accrued on certain life insurance policies and annuities and included in income under section 12.2 or former paragraph 56(1)(d.1).</p>
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		<title>By: Preet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 00:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi EROOM, thanks for your question.

Actually, I never mentioned that it should be the minimum amount, but rather that the withdrawals need to be structured as regularly occuring withdrawals as opposed to lump sum withdrawals. The source of my information was a phone conversation with a tax officer at the CRA. They made it very clear that the withdrawals need to be structured like annuitized income (just like you would receive income from a pension) in order to be treated as such.

However, the CRA will be the first to tell you that the last word on any subject will be the interpretation of the ITA and any IT&#039;s that are issued (Income Tax Act and Interpretation Bulletins respectively). (i.e. not ME and not the CCH tax book). I&#039;ll see if I can dig up the section of the ITA or an IT that has it in print.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi EROOM, thanks for your question.</p>
<p>Actually, I never mentioned that it should be the minimum amount, but rather that the withdrawals need to be structured as regularly occuring withdrawals as opposed to lump sum withdrawals. The source of my information was a phone conversation with a tax officer at the CRA. They made it very clear that the withdrawals need to be structured like annuitized income (just like you would receive income from a pension) in order to be treated as such.</p>
<p>However, the CRA will be the first to tell you that the last word on any subject will be the interpretation of the ITA and any IT&#8217;s that are issued (Income Tax Act and Interpretation Bulletins respectively). (i.e. not ME and not the CCH tax book). I&#8217;ll see if I can dig up the section of the ITA or an IT that has it in print.</p>
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		<title>By: EROOM</title>
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		<dc:creator>EROOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Preet.
As far as I can tell (CCH tax book), any withdrawal from a RRIF would qualify for the pension income credit and pension income splitting. In your 3 March reply to CRG you say it&#039;s minimums only. Do you mind providing back-up for that?

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Preet.<br />
As far as I can tell (CCH tax book), any withdrawal from a RRIF would qualify for the pension income credit and pension income splitting. In your 3 March reply to CRG you say it&#8217;s minimums only. Do you mind providing back-up for that?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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